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Topic: Making new Instruments

Kenneth,

In using Viena to make up soundfonts for virtual organs (for jOrgan), all my Instruments have identical split and panning allocations. In the past I have used an existing Instrument as a template, and simply reassigned new samples to make up a new Instrument. I seem to be having a problem with my latest project. Could this happen because the new samples are ten times the length of the ones I want them to replace?

Are there in fact traps with my approach?

John Reimer

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Re: Making new Instruments

John,
I can't just like that see why you would have a problem with what you are doing. But obviously you have. I guess I need somewhat more information in order for me to see what goes wrong. Please take some time and write down a more indepth description of your process and email it to me.

Kenneth

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Re: Making new Instruments

Kenneth,

Thank you.
I find your answer reassuring. Actually yesterday I had another go at the Instrument in question, and there were no problems whatsoever. However, I am going to be doing a lot of this work in the near future, and if any pattern emerges (or even if it doesn't), I shall be in a position to make some kind of fuller report.

The successful work I did yesterday (using Windows 7) was done using Viena 0.780, because I had the feeling that it was more robust in what I am trying to do than the recent versions. I also had the feeling that the problem was more to do with importing samples with the same name as existing ones. On the other hand, the problems seemed to surface initially when I was trying to reassign a particular sample (using a recent Viena version). It was at the top of the reassign samples list, but FOR THAT ONE SAMPLE, when clicked on, the "OK" was greyed out.

Let me take this opportunity to thank you for Viena. I think it is an amazing program, and it, along with other computer developments, is allowing me and others to achieve results we would never have imagined possible.

John Reimer

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Re: Making new Instruments

Be careful with old versions of Viena, they used to frequently save my SoundFonts weirdly and partially ruin them which I think they no longer do as of newer versions.

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Re: Making new Instruments

I believe that I have been spared that sort of behaviour.
But it is obviously a good warning, that one should archive soundfonts-in-construction as part of the process.

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Anyway, for me it is utterly important that I get an understanding and clear view of what you are trying to do and not having success using the latest version of Viena. If you find that an older version manages to do it better, then that is definitely of much help also as I can the compare the source codes side by side to try to pinpoint the change that caused the malfunction. So please tell me if you REALLY find that 0.780 works better (in this particular case) than the newest version. Additionally, I can provide you with some other older versions for comparison. Here is one, for example:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1733095/Viena0810.exe

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Re: Making new Instruments

Kenneth,

I shall return to the latest version, and shall definitely report my experiences, good or bad.

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Re: Making new Instruments

Kenneth,

My first report. Using Viena 0.931,1 tried to reassign some new samples, which were imported normally. I think the first few reassigns may have behaved, but then I decided to check on the top sample in the reassign list. When I clicked on it to select it, the "OK" greyed out, just as I have earlier reported. Anyway, I went on with my reassigning, only to find that I was having problems in selecting particular splits. The red highlighting would "slip" over to an adjacent split, with unwanted reassigns happening.

I had no such problems when I then changed over to using Viena 0.780.

John Reimer

P.S. I am using Windows 7.

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Re: Making new Instruments

Kenneth,
Regarding the reassign behaviour noted in my previous post, I have just tried this out on the 0.933A, and although I could not reproduce the "instability" matter where it slips over to an adjacent split, the problem with trying to select the top sample in the list remains.

John Reimer